And what I have found is that she was musical and that they were hoping that she could make a living as a musician. Besides all the work he is known for, the composer once wrote a famous love letter to a nameless beloved, and the movie tries to find out who this beloved was--not easy, as Beethoven has had many women in his life. Anyway, what is real beyond any doubt is that the composer really loved a particular woman very much, and that he loved her for a long time. In it, he writes of his unconditional love and devotion to someone he refers to as his Unsterbliche Geliebte, or Immortal Beloved.He never sent this letter. And remaining frustrated. We can listen to this love in the vibrant bliss, of so many passionate adagios, in the sorrow present in those painful tones, in so many melodies loaded with sadness and memories. STEBLIN: Josephine came to Vienna in May of 1799 with her mother and her older sister Therese, to have piano lessons with Beethoven. The problem person would be her husband, that he's the one that's causing all the problems for Beethoven. Therese was supposed to take care of the older children in a villa in the suburbs of Vienna. There, it was. It is as if by knowing what kind of woman loved him and was loved by him, some part of the mystery of his enormous spirit would be finally revealed to us. Because, there are letters where she instructed the setup of their bedrooms when she was going to go to that estate in Moravia that they'd bought and she even wanted a maid sleeping between the two bedrooms. So Josephine was left alone and there were great financial problems. STEBLIN: This was about the time when Stackelberg brought his three daughters, including this Minona, back to Vienna and Therese says Minona was six years old. I think that the riddle of the Immortal Beloved letter is something of this kind of issue. MALTZ: Which of course, very similar to the 'Immortal Beloved' letter in the way that Beethoven says you're hiding yourself. This is much later where she's recommending that they go for a holiday together and she says, we could go to Naples, we could go to Brazil, or we could go to England with Beethoven. Written in pencil, it is addressed to an unknown woman with whom Beethoven was apparently in a love relationship and to whom he refers at one point as his "Immortal Beloved." Was it 1819 or 1820, I believe… where somebody writes to Beethoven about this musical child. Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. And, in fact, you give evidence that Josephine gave birth to Beethoven's child. You have the same sort of wording in these earlier love letters and the letter to the Immortal Beloved where he says, ‘you know I have been faithful to you that no other woman can...’, MALTZ: To clarify for those who don't speak German, please explain the significance of Beethoven referring to Josephine as 'du' instead of the formal 'Sie. The men just fell for her. What a life! He never sent this letter. Which is to say, that our personage does not us allow to imagine THAT role for him. The Immortal Beloved can be at ease, her secret is well kept... Generally speaking, I widely agree with Dom’s opinions on the my Immortal Beloved matter. Whom did Beethoven love so passionately? Written by Smoothhoney1265 Plot Summary | Plot Synopsis I mean, DNA studies are improving. This biography of Ludwig von Beethoven (Gary Oldman) builds its narrative around an actual letter found after his death, addressed only to the composer's "immortal beloved." Therefore, a total of 10 pages make up the Immortal Beloved letter. So! A crucial figure in the transition between the Classical and Romantic eras in Classical music, he remains one of the most recognized and … This kind of spiritual link was mentioned in a mysterious letter written by Josephine in 1818 to equally mysterious recipient. And our culture would only make some sordid media soap opera out of a most sad and beautiful love story. In 1909, W. A. Thomas San Galli was the first to date the letter 1812. Angel, I just hear that the post goes out every day — and must close therefore, so that you get the L. at once. ', STEBLIN: Yeah, it's like the French 'tu'. The Immortal Beloved (German "Unsterbliche Geliebte") is the addressee of a love letter which composer Ludwig van Beethoven wrote on 6–7 July 1812 in Teplitz. And your research sheds light on a side of Beethoven that is quite opposite to the fiery personality we often think of – a Beethoven who wanted to love and be loved. So what other woman meets that? The letter was discovered after Beethoven's death and, naturally, sparked intense curiosity about what woman inspired such passion. Also, I am intrigued by the fact that this letter was found in Beethoven's possession. Then there comes an entry in Beethoven's diary that ends “Auf diese Art mit 'A' geht alles zu Grunde.” This means in this manner with (the initial A) everything goes to ruin. I can only live, either altogether with you or not at all. The first is easy: "... my life in W. is now a miserable life...". Dr. Steblin, I would like to thank you personally for your research. And we know, in fact, I found documents in Brno that Stackelberg had made a quick trip to Prague in 1811 to borrow money from a banker there. Beethoven still has them waiting and hoping in vain to be able to open his secrets. So then, and once again, let us –this time-- admire in turn his keen intellect, and watch how this smart man, has left several generations past, and to come, ----- still looking for an answer to the Immortal Beloved. But, in this case, why not? If someone has only read his diaries, his letters, his moral writings… He would consider such an act, a terrible dishonorable behavior. She was the dedicatee of the Moonlight Sonata. Where do I come from? Learn more about the era of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven from my videos and podcast interviews with other Vienna-based performers and experts. MALTZ: What motivated your search for Beethoven's Immortal Beloved? Not easy as Beethoven has had many women in his life. This Immortal Beloved letter by Beethoven is dated Monday July 6th. And, she found on Beethoven's desk something that said, ‘my heart overflows at the sight of beautiful nature, although without her,’ in other words, he must have been walking in nature, in Baden, with his Beloved earlier. Is it not a real building of heaven, our Love — but as firm, too, as the citadel of heaven. She was in her eighties in 1920 when she brought out the book. When Schindler first met Beethoven, the composer explained the meaning behind a new sonata, and many years later, it turned out to be reflective of events mentioned in the “immortal beloved” letter. And it wasn't until 1860 when he brought out another edition of his Beethoven biography with a facsimile of the letter that people could see… Oh, Julie isn't even mentioned in Beethoven's letter. Well… because 'St' is kind of unusual and 'A' is much more common. So Josephine was very charming, very beautiful. Beethoven did not indicate who the intended recipient is, but the most likely candidates are Countess Giulietta Guicciardi, Josephine von Brunsvik, Antonie Brentano, and Josephine’s sister, Countess Therese Brunsvik. STEBLIN: When I was a piano teacher in Vancouver for seven years, I read the book by Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach on Josephine Brunsvik as the Immortal Beloved. But because Beethoven couldn't lay claim to his own child, he then took over this nephew. Beethoven is buried there as well, of course. The life and death of the legendary Ludwig van Beethoven. It also required challenging previously-accepted scholarship and approaching the subject from new angles to find the truth. Oh, go on loving me — never doubt the faithfullest heart Of your belovedL Ever thine.Ever mine.Ever ours. Oh God — so near! Welcome to Classical Cake, the podcast where we discuss topics relating to Viennese classical music while enjoying one of Vienna's delicious cakes. Was it never sent? To view past editions, visit the Newsletter page. And so what did she have to do but try to fix her marriage and, I think from the memoirs of her son, Fritz, you see what efforts she went to to be the loving wife. And that convinced me that she had the right woman. She had many relatives from her first husband in Prague and after Deym's death, she took all her four children to speak with the Emperor Franz. MALTZ: And so you, in doing your research into this theory, found examples in Beethoven's hand where he writes both an 'A' and an 'St' – in Beethoven's hand – so that we have definitive proof. I should say, had been hiding under an assumed name, Meiersfeld, but it was a hyphenated Deym-Meiersfeld. And why did he keep it? } Therese explains all of this in her memoirs in great detail and how Beethoven was so taken with the musicality and, I guess, with the beauty of Josephine that instead of just one hour a day, he would teach them for four hours a day. The mystery during the years has been who the “Immortal beloved” is. And this money was now due, and Stackelberg had left Josephine. Besides clearly stating that there was not a happy ending to this affair, many researchers also said that if the Immortal Beloved were Josephine, that the diary entry would have to read, “In this manner with J, everything goes to ruin.” In fact, there's been a lot of confusion surrounding this initial A. STEBLIN: Beethoven wrote this entry in a diary that he started in the fall of 1812. It is clear to scholars that K. is the town where the Immortal Beloved was. Final scene from the movie "Inmortal beloved" about Beethoven's life. After the death of the composer (Gary Oldman), director Bernard Rose lets admirer and secretary Anton Schindler (Jeroen Krabbé) look for the anonymous lover. Who, among the scores of women that Beethoven seduced, was his Immortal Beloved? The descriptions of the appearance of his internal organs were carefully made and recorded. The entire letter is written on 10 small pages, in Beethoven's rather inconsistent handwriting. Immortal is described by the author as “a novel inspired by real events”. Dr. Steblin, thank you for joining me. Beethoven very rarely used 'du' and to use 'du' with a woman…. Beethoven was known to love many women, and as his friend F.G. Wegeler once wrote, "Beethoven was never out of love."
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